1999 : Regular pioneer hours decrease from 90 avg/month to 70
2011: Gilead stops accepting missionaries
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Bullet list of major (recent) changes
by RN init is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.
his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.
when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.
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For all the newbies.. the Belief-O-Matic...what religion should you be? Test your religious beliefs.
by jemba ini noticed that this thread has been done before by blacksheep but i loved doing this test and i loved the results i got... apparently i need to look into reformed judaism.
jemba .
sorry firefox wont let me cut n paste but heres the website:.
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1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (97%)
3. Neo-Pagan (95%)
4. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
I don't know how in the world Mainline Christian Protestants fit in with the rest... Witnesses were dead last of course.
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Christain terms I never heard of as a Jehoavh's Witnee??
by Butterflyleia85 inis it me or is it i been out to long to remeber but terms like - grace, jesus being immanuel, gospels, epistles.
etc they have a lot of meaning to christians yet all i truly remember is jesus being ark angel, the messiah, undeserve kindness, greek and roman scripture, etc.. .
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carla: "I don't think jw's use these either in reference to God, He is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent."
It's not that they don't use them, more that they don't believe two of them. JWs specifically teach that God is not omnipresent, and that He can know all things but not unless He tries (such as when He was going to Sodom to confirm what He heard).
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Ancient Hebrew? Yes. Inscribed where? New Mexico!
by Terry inancient hebrew inscribed on a rock in new mexicowikipedia.
picture this: you're an archaeologist minding your own business in new mexico when a guy comes up and tells you he's got something to show you.
once you check to make sure he's wearing pants and double check to make sure you've got a gun, you follow him to this town outside albuquerque called los lunas.
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I heard something similar in a song:
"And I believe - That ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America."
Book of Mormon anyone?
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She's trying to make her a publisher...
by MsGrowingGirl20 insoooo, i've been sudying the bible with a 10 year old girl for two years now...her mother recently got baptised.
since i've been having doubts about the org i've centered our discussions on god and the bible and less on pleasing the org...i was doing fine.... until i invited an older pioneer sister to accompany me on the study....heeeeeeesh...she changed the topic from having manners to becoming an unbaptised publisher....she went onnnnn and onnnnn about "don't you want to please jehovah and jesus, wouldn't you like to put in a form every month and you do love jehovah and want to tell others about him,right?
" i was so upset.. i treat and love this girl as if she was my little sister and i do not want her to nose dive into this religion...she's a child for god's sake!.
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Believe me, we know how difficult it is. Everything about removing oneself and others is difficult, and it doesn't get any easier the longer you wait.
In my congregation the elders made sure that after the study book or two was over, the parents would then be fully responsible and pioneers couldn't count time for that one anymore.
With you being "marked" and no "progress" being made after two years, they will eventually take her away from you, and I'd bet on sooner rather than later. And if it's five years from now and she gets baptized, it will be because she never knew she had any other options.
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does matthew 7:13,14
by therevealer inprove anything close to what jw's teach.
and that is that there is only one true religion.
the thread "is worship deserved?
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Strictly speaking, the scripture says nothing about only one true religion, it just says narrow road. Who's to say there aren't some of different religions on that road? It parallels the "narrow door" speach, which simply implies that doing the right thing is difficult, not that only people of a certain faith can do it.
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Bible=Publications of the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class
by LostGeneration infrom the july 15th 2012 wt, page 26:.
ask himself, do i immediately apply.
everything i read in the bible and in the.
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bennyk: "They are effectively equating themselves with Jesus Christ."
Of course they think they're equal to Christ; they consider themselves co-rulers, not under, but alongside. As someone else pointed out on another thread, the literal meaning of Christ is "anointed", which they apply to themselves as a "class." The Christ class, in other words.
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Laptop (?) being used in field service - July 15 WT
by Gayle inwt out on jw.org now,,shows front page laptop being used on field service call along with sign language.. will jws soon be bringing a laptop for all door to door presentations in the future?
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I guess they're going back to the days of pre-recorded phonograph machines for service... that way the GB can speak directly with the householder without the publisher diluting their glorious insight.
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A Pamphlet and Cosmology: A Circle or a Sphere?
by kepler inthis is a long rant.
hope this is of interest to someone... .
question 22: cosmology: a circle or sphere?
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I was just looking into this topic of Jewish cosmology. Far from advanced understanding, the circle of the earth was a flat disk that sat on water (thus phrases like "in the midst of the waters" and "waters under the Earth") while the sky (firmament) was a solid metal-like dome that the stars hung from (being "lesser" luminaries, they were nowhere near as large as the Sun). Every reference to the Earth in the Bible bears this out.
Interesting stuff, but so very far removed from any claim of God-inspired scientific knowledge.
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How to counter a stupid illustration in the Bible Teach Book
by NVR2L8 inthe bible teach book uses the example of a math teacher who is challenged by a student who disagrees on how to resolve a math problem.
the teacher then lets him attempt to prove his point knowing that he can only fail.
the object of the exercise is to show the rest of the students that the teacher is right - that there is only one way to resolve the math problem....this is likened to jehovah letting satan exercise his power over the world so that the entire universe can witness his failure and that only jehovah's ways lead to happiness.... instead of maths, what if the teacher taught chemistry and a student would want to prove that the teacher is wrong when he says that certains chemicals can't be mixed without causing an explosion that would wipeout the school...would any sane, responsible, loving teacher allow such a student to experiment and wipeout the whole class just so the teacher can prove he was right?
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Here's a big problem with that illustration: Jehovah hasn't allowed Satan to run the world. He's constantly interferring, had His people commit genocide on Satan's, refuses to let people use magic or any demonic influence (even though He constantly employed miracles and angelic influence), tower of Babel, etc.
It's like the teacher starts erasing the chalkboard anytime the student starts being creative. He's not letting the student fail, He's making him fail.